Ep. 72: Liberate & Chill--Embracing a Mindset of Possibility

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EQ: To what extent should we still strive to be anti-racist in a world on fire?

Guests: 

  • Kass Minor (she/her/hers) is an inclusive educator who is deeply involved in local, inquiry-based teacher research and school community development. Most recently, along with her partner and husband, Cornelius Minor, she has established The Minor Collective. You can follow Kass on Twitter @MsKass1

  • shea martin (they/them/theirs) previous guest on episode 69 “Working Toward Liberation”. You can find them on Twitter at @sheathescholar.”

Concretely learning about ways to “work towards liberation” in our classrooms, schools, and communities, is part of the necessary work for anti-racist educators. In the midst of a pandemic that has disrupted every aspect of our lives, many educators are looking for a “place to call home.” In this episode, we interview two of the four co-founders of the collective Liberate and Chill “an immersion online learning experience for anti-racists educators.” Kass and shea walk us through the inception and development of this new collaboration.  As we consider this current place and time, we are looking towards the future not as a “return to normal” but a “turn to better.” We’re reminded albeit contradictory, liberation looks like both  joy and rest. 

Learn more about Liberate and Chill by following them on Twitter and Instagram @liberateNchill 

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Ep. 69: Working Toward Liberation--An Interview with shea martin

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Note to listeners: This episode was recorded prior to the corona outbreak in the US so you will not hear any discussion of its impact on this particular topic.

EQ: What does it look like to center anti-racist work and marginalized populations within a k-12 classroom?

Guest: shea martin, “lit teacher, researcher, and community organizer who dreams and works toward liberation with teachers and students across the country.” They also play the jazz vibraphone.

We begin our interview by defining the importance of brunch and setting parameters for a “brunch window” and the necessity of planning for a nap. Then, shea shares experiences growing up in the DC metro area where many teachers of color encouraged academic excellence and called out the hidden potential. However, shea identifies significant experiences that push them out of the classroom and reiterated the fact that many educators often unconsciously project bias without considering its impact on students. Throughout our discussion we circle back to several key ideas but specifically that “identity is elastic and fluid.” If we internalize this idea and adjust our curriculum to reflect this, we are more likely to actually achieve our goal of inclusive and affirming classrooms. shea leaves us with some practical advice: 

  • If you are curating a more “diverse” classroom library, be sure to include books that counter the narrative of oppression of people of color. Your books should also reflect the brilliance of black and brown people.

  • You will not be able to teach or represent every perspective, but you can be transparent with your students about who or what is being left out (and why).

  • If you’re trying to do transformative work (such as disrupting white supremacy) you must be prepared. Students need routines and parameters for safe discussions. You, the teacher, need to be extra prepared.

  • Consider the ways you can incorporate LGBTQ authors, characters, and stories.

  • Go read Juliet Takes A Breath. 

Check out shea’s writing and other interviews:

Champagne 🥂 & Real Pain 👎🏻

🥂 Val Brown & Clear the Air Crew; Disrupt Text Ladies; Cody Miller & Josh Thompson, Liz Kleinrock, Lizzie Fortin

🥂 POC at BCCS crew and all our AMAZING STUDENTS; Queering the Classroom 

👎🏻 Well-meaning white people who don’t want to do the work; people that don’t wash their hands!  

👎🏻 Educators who consistently get names and pronouns wrong.

Do Your Fudging Homework:

  • Annie: Read 1 Teacher in 10 by Kevin Jennings. I think I’ve recommended this before, but it’s really helpful for understanding the experiences of queer educators. 

  • Hope: Read the post from Crawling Out of the Classroom “If I can’t opt my kid out of the homophobia she will experience, you shouldn’t be able to opt your kid out of reading books with LGBTQ characters.”

  • shea: Go out and listen to Brittany Howard’s album Jamie

You can find shea on twitter at @sheathescholar or through email: writeshea@gmail.com

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